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508: The Mission Continues Beyond Ramadi. With Major Scott Huesing

Key Takeaways

  • Scott Huesing’s military career spanned 24 years, from enlisted Stinger missile operator to infantry officer.
  • Combat in Ramadi during 2006-2007 presented brutal realities, high casualties, and complex ethical dilemmas.
  • Effective leadership prioritizes troop safety and welfare, even when demanding aggressive action.
  • Returning veterans often face significant challenges like trauma, addiction, and adapting to civilian life.
  • Writing a book like 'Echo in Ramadi' serves as a mission to honor fallen Marines and preserve their legacy.
  • Solid Copy Media assists veterans in transforming their personal experiences into published, authentic narratives.
  • Authenticity and accuracy in storytelling are crucial, especially when recounting combat experiences for wider audiences.
  • Post-deployment reunions provide vital support for veterans and Gold Star families navigating shared trauma.

Deep Dive

  • Marine Corps recruits are ranked into top, middle, and bottom thirds based on performance during training.
  • These rankings influence job selections, with higher-ranked individuals typically receiving priority.
  • Despite falling into the bottom third, guest Scott Huesing secured an infantry role, indicating the role of service needs.
  • Huesing later transitioned to an infantry officer, emphasizing his primary goal.

  • Guest Scott Huesing's unit, Echo and Fox companies, deployed to Ramadi in 2006 as part of the troop surge.
  • Pre-deployment intelligence indicated significant casualties from the 3-8 unit, highlighting Ramadi's high-risk environment.
  • Commanding over 250 personnel in Ramadi, Huesing's mission prioritized bringing his Marines home safely.
  • He delivered a pre-combat speech to 18-19 year old Marines, accepting responsibility for their actions, including engaging the enemy.

  • The guest discussed the inherent risk of casualties in combat, a known reality accepted by enlisting soldiers.
  • He acknowledged a high suicide rate among fellow veterans, including members of his company, after service.
  • Lance Corporal Jonathan Narris engaged insurgents and witnessed the death of his squad leader, Libby, during a specific combat engagement.
  • Libby's death profoundly impacted Huesing as the first battalion casualty under his direct command.

  • A large weapons cache hidden in a barn filled with hay north of Ramadi was destroyed using diesel fuel and a HEDP round.
  • In Western Ramadi, a Marine identified enemy combatants using a weapons cache in a ravine, which was subsequently soaked with fuel and ignited.
  • GMLRS (Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System) was employed for immediate target suppression, with each rocket costing $100,000.
  • Colonel Ferry approved a high-risk GMLRS strike costing $100 million, affirming a commitment to avenge fallen Marines.

  • Veterans cope with trauma through various mechanisms, including suicide, alcohol, and overeating, with non-profit support available.
  • Writing 'Echo in Ramadi' took a year of interviews and writing, preceded by ten years of personal experience, with some needing a decade to share traumatic events.
  • The guest emphasized accurate book writing, acknowledging diverse perspectives even on the same event through extensive research.
  • He believes authenticity in writing requires revealing personal flaws and painful experiences, citing an editor's encouragement to include personal reflections.

  • Marines responding to a QRF call encountered an Iraqi family whose father was dying from a gunshot wound inflicted by insurgents demanding car keys.
  • A communication breakdown led to Marines opening fire on a sedan carrying a woman who miscarried and her sister, killing the occupants, whose family later received 'blood money'.
  • The guest emphasized understanding and respecting local culture in a war zone, contrasting it with American attempts to impose Western democracy.
  • He stressed that cultural change in Iraq requires generations, and security and freedom should precede democracy.

  • Insurgents in Iraq stored weapons in civilian homes and intimidated residents, then blended into the population after engaging patrols.
  • On January 21, 2007, Lance Corporal Sanchez was shot by a sniper during a sweep north, causing immediate adrenaline and distress.
  • Sergeant McKibben assisted Sanchez, who was unresponsive as he was evacuated by CH-53 helicopter.
  • Lance Corporal Andrew Mattis immediately volunteered to replace Sanchez on the roof post and was subsequently shot and fell unresponsive, less than 24 hours into the operation.

  • Colonel Boudreaux reassured the guest about his decision to raid mosques suspected of storing weapons, despite protocol, confirming they were safe havens.
  • Boudreaux later questioned the unit's discipline upon seeing Marines in casual attire at their forward operating base, leading to a discussion about unit readiness.
  • The guest defended his First Sergeant, Tom Foster, highlighting his effectiveness and dedication despite not being a typical infantryman.
  • Colonel Boudreaux granted the guest more autonomy after acknowledging the Marines' need to decompress from extensive combat patrols.

  • A memorial service for eight fallen Marines from the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, was held on June 15, 2007, at Camp San Mateo.
  • Families offered comfort and support to grieving Marines, highlighting a powerful display of affection and loyalty amidst their own pain.
  • The guest's book, 'Echo in Ramadi,' includes biographies for each individual mentioned, providing context and relatability for readers.
  • The transition home was described as challenging due to the 'absence of friction' and the difficulty of replacing the combat adrenaline rush.

  • The guest retired after 24 years of service due to combat injuries and a desire to stop when military service ceased being enjoyable.
  • After an unappealing private sector job, he began writing 'Echo in Ramadi,' sharing struggles with pain, medication, and alcohol.
  • A drunk driving incident led to a personal rock bottom, prompting him to stop drinking for a year and re-evaluate his perspective on alcohol.
  • He later helped Marine Raider Ivan Ingram transition to writing, developing a comprehensive syllabus covering story arcs, character development, and publishing.
  • Solid Copy Media LLC was created to formalize writing instruction, connecting aspiring writers with industry professionals.

  • The guest discussed 'Stolen Valor' within the context of 'The Rifle 2,' documenting instances of individuals falsely claiming military service.
  • He connected Fred Galvin, author of 'A Few Bad Men' (about the Marsox 7), with his editor to enhance the manuscript, praising the book's quality.
  • He helped promote 'Forged in Chaos' by Delta Force operator Tyler Gray, soliciting blurbs from authors like Jack Carr and Scott Mann.
  • His 'hybrid' role involves going beyond typical agent duties, offering genuine care and assistance to veteran authors in the publishing process.

  • The guest advises accuracy and conservatism in storytelling for media companies to maintain credibility and avoid embellishment.
  • He differentiates between emotional storytelling for small groups and the factual requirements for published books, cautioning against exaggerations.
  • Client acquisition relies on word-of-mouth, emphasizing his genuine care for clients and their stories, which sets him apart from typical agents.
  • He works with various clients, including co-writers and the CEO of Johnsonville Foods, Ralph Stayer, whose first book sold 450,000 copies.

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