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Kipp deVeer – Scaling for Private Wealth Globally in Credit (Private Wealth 5, EP.449)
Key Takeaways
Massive market shift underway: Individual investors are rapidly increasing alternatives allocation from 2-5% toward institutional levels of 20-50%, representing approximately $500 billion in new investments for every 1% allocation shift—a transformation driven by new investment structures offering lower minimums and better liquidity.
Private wealth requires fundamentally different approach: Success demands resource-intensive operations including geographically distributed sales teams, extensive investor education, and relationship-based distribution models, with Aries scaling from 75 to 150 global employees to capture this opportunity.
"Sticky" capital with unique advantages: Wealth channel investments ($200K-$500K typical size) offer less market correlation and more durable capital compared to institutional flows, while private credit provides quarterly marking, better due diligence, and downside control versus volatile public markets.
Untested market resilience: The retail alternatives boom occurred during relatively low-volatility COVID period, creating pro-cyclical risks where capital flows may reverse during downturns—requiring careful growth management, investor education, and diversified capital sources to maintain stability.
Global expansion accelerating: Strong European performance and growing Asian interest suggest the U.S. wealth channel transformation is becoming a worldwide phenomenon, with Aries expecting 20% of 2025 capital to come from retail flows as the market continues diversifying beyond early leaders like Blackstone.
Deep Dive
Podcast Introduction and Market Context
This miniseries episode of Capital Allocators focuses on the growing "Private Wealth" trend, examining how individual investors are gaining access to alternative investments
Historically, institutional investors have allocated 20-50% to alternative investments, while individual/mass affluent investors have held only 2-5% in alternatives
This dynamic is rapidly changing due to new investment structures offering lower minimums and better liquidity
The market impact is substantial: every 1% asset allocation shift represents approximately $500 billion in new investments, with private banking platforms investing $110 billion in funds last year—about double institutional investments
Aries Management Overview and Evolution
Aries currently manages approximately $500 billion in assets, primarily credit-focused but expanding into other areas
Recent acquisition of GCP has significantly transformed the firm:
- Expanded into digital infrastructure
- Added hundreds of employees in Japanese real estate
- Evolved from US-centric to a global firm spanning US, Europe, and Asia
Private Wealth Channel Strategy Development
Aries began focusing on the wealth channel 6-7 years ago, recognizing large demand for alternative asset classes in wealth management
Key strategic acquisition of Black Creek during COVID period:
- Inherited 75-person retail and wholesaling team
- Hired Raj Donda (former Morgan Stanley executive) to lead wealth management
Observed Blackstone's early market dominance (60-65% market share) and saw opportunity to diversify alternatives offerings
Strategy involved rapidly scaling team from 75 to 150 people globally; market has since diversified with 4-5 firms now holding 30-40% market share
Distribution Model and Sales Approach
Aries employs a diverse distribution model with smaller checks and more investors
Sales team includes both external and internal wholesalers with global expansion featuring dedicated teams in London and Hong Kong
Significant capital raising in Europe last year, with potential for Asia expansion this year
Track key metrics including engagements per salesperson and dollars raised, focusing on deploying sales force to clients interested in relevant products
Investment Characteristics and Market Opportunity
Typical wealth channel investment sizes range from $200,000 to $500,000
Three key investment themes offered:
1. Durable income
2. Diversified private equity
3. Tax-advantaged real assets
Investments tend to be "sticky" and less correlated with public markets
Currently, $40 billion of Aries' $500 billion AUM comes from wealth channel, with expectations that around 20% of 2025 capital forecast will come from retail flows
Growth driven by mass affluent investors ($3-10 million in assets) seeking alternatives to traditional 60-40 portfolios, motivated by poor performance of traditional equity and fixed income in 2021
Market Evolution and Investment Strategy
Market has evolved from non-traded REITs and BDCs to more diverse offerings like secondaries and infrastructure
Financial advisors prefer a curated portfolio of 3-5 managers across different alternative investment categories
Top 5 alternative investment firms have maintained consistent market share, with diversification and relationship-based approaches being key considerations
Private Credit Positioning and Advantages
Aries positions private credit as less volatile and higher-yielding compared to public credit markets
Key advantages include:
- Quarterly marks and mark-to-model valuation
- Better information and due diligence capabilities
- More control over downside risk
- Ability to lever companies 5-6 times against enterprise value
Lenders can have a "free call option" to own companies if necessary, with historical charge-offs and defaults performing better when investors have control and resources
Product Structure and Liquidity Management
Aries offers a 6-7 product portfolio covering credit, real estate, private equity, and infrastructure
Interval funds are semi-liquid, with investors typically able to withdraw only about 20% of capital in 1-2 years
Diversification is critical in these strategies, structured to protect investors from fire sale scenarios
Requires significant investor education about liquidity constraints
Fee structures are largely standardized across the industry with little current negotiation
Operational Challenges and Resource Requirements
Managing these products is extremely resource-intensive, requiring:
- Extensive marketing and education efforts
- Building brand recognition
- Geographically distributed sales teams
- Explaining firm differentiation from other alternative investment managers
Go-to-Market Strategy and Brand Management
Aries Wealth Management Solutions maintains consistent brand messaging across multiple teams
Strategy involves establishing clear themes and differentiators at senior leadership level
Prioritizes senior-level engagement with major wire platforms (Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch)
Multi-channel approach to reach financial advisors:
- Direct senior-level meetings with large platforms
- Group format presentations
- Partnerships with firms like iCapital and Case for independent advisors
- Hosting proprietary events to showcase offerings
International Market Expansion
Unexpected strong capital attraction in European markets
Growing interest in Asia driven by:
- First-year market entry effects
- Increasing awareness of alternative investment opportunities
- Similar market dynamics to U.S. market
Challenges include difficulty reaching smaller independent RIAs with smaller investment tickets and need for efficient group engagement strategies
Risk Management and Capital Cycle Considerations
Focus on managing pro-cyclical investment capital challenges, particularly in credit products where inflows tend to be higher during good markets and lower during bad markets
Key risks include:
- Growing too fast without proper investor education
- Poor underwriting due to capital pressure
- Potential loss of investor confidence if returns don't meet expectations
Mitigation strategies include:
- Maintaining balanced roster of capital sources (separate accounts, commingled funds, public BDCs, retail credit funds)
- Creating infrastructure to support responsible growth (150 global employees)
- Potentially "queuing" or limiting new capital during unfavorable investment environments
- Focusing on investor education about investment structures and cycle management
Recognition that the retail investor market hasn't been fully tested through a significant downturn, as most recent growth occurred during the relatively low-volatility COVID period
Personal and Professional Outlook
Personal reflections: Feels blessed and fortunate, having achieved many goals through hard work, with great family relationships
Next 3-5 years personal: Two children in high school with focus on family time as kids transition to college; remains enthusiastic about current role but uncertain about years 5-10, potentially exploring hobbies and travel
Professional outlook: Platform considered fully built across alternative asset classes with focus on:
- Expanding real assets and private equity
- Growing presence in Asia
- Potential small acquisitions
- Maintaining good performance, attracting capital, retaining talent, and leveraging competitive advantages
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